Sing a song of Hist'ry pocket full o' lies? Twenty-four billion Saracens? Baked in into pies. When the pies were opened, They started to attack. Wasn't that a big mistake To let them mus'lm'ns back?
(footnotes ** and ***)
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.* George Santayana
Look at the failures when at fighting against Islam in the past--don't repeat them--and look at the successes: how was it beaten back? Battles and Wars.
BUT, and this is a big BUT:
What we do about history matters. The often repeated saying that those who forget the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them has a lot of truth in it. But what are 'the lessons of history'? The very attempt at definition furnishes ground for new conflicts. History is not a recipe book; past events are never replicated in the present in quite the same way. Historical events are infinitely variable and their interpretations are a constantly shifting process. There are no certainties to be found in the past. Gerda Lerner:
Superb! Post that in your brain!
We can learn from history how past generations thought and acted, how they responded to the demands of their time and how they solved their problems. We can learn by analogy, not by example, for our circumstances will always be different than theirs were. The main thing history can teach us is that human actions have consequences and that certain choices, once made, cannot be undone. They foreclose the possibility of making other choices and thus they determine future events. Gerda Lerner
I worshipped dead men for their strength, Forgetting I was strong. Vita Sackville-West
ENGRAVE THAT IN YOUR BRAIN! (me hearties!*)
Take a page from History -1:
How to fight the musulmans. Not exactly the same way, not even parallels, but take ideas and turn them into tactics.
To the Shores of Tripoli
(Fighting the Barbary Pirates 1804 AD)
[United States Navy Lt. Stephen] Decatur and his small crew disguised as North Africans sailed the Barbary ketch into Tripoli harbor on the night of February 15, 1804. The tiny craft bumped into the Philadelphia [a United states vessel captured by the Mahometan pirates] , and Decatur's boarding party flung grappling hooks to lash the rails together. Then yelling and screaming, they leaped onto the deck of the frigate. As a [Mahometan] pirate reported later, the Americans "sent Decatur on a dark night, with a band of Christian dogs fierce and cruel as the tiger, who killed our brothers and burnt our ships before our eyes." Decatur's men wielded tomahawks and killed twenty pirates in as many minutes, chasing the rest over the side. Only one raider was wounded before the Philadelphia was set afire in four places. Then the Americans withdrew (Castor, 1971).
* * * When British Admiral Lord Nelson heard of the raid, he called it "the most bold and daring act of the age." Decatur, just twenty-five, won promotion to captain-then the highest rank in the navy-and remains the youngest man ever to be so honored (Bobby-Evans, 2001).
[and this while Europeans were still paying tribute to these Saracens]
Read the entire Tripoli campaign against the Mahometan pirates at
Recess 's over, me hearties, let's go back into what we can learn from history about how to fight the Sararacen:
other good quotes about History:
HISTORY, n. An account mostly false, of events mostly unimportant, which are brought about by rulers mostly knaves, and soldiers mostly fools. Ambrose Bierce
True or False? Just because somebody said it, and it's quoted, doesn't mean it represents what is true.
The accounts may not be accurate, but the events are often important (Islam defeated at the Gates of Vienna). that the "rulers" were, and are, mostly knaves (self-seeking) we find to be true. But soldiers as fools? No! Soldiers may be dupes, may be pawns, but fools--never! Soldiers are used, let us, the people in arms, make certain that they are used rightly.
History is a guide to navigation in perilous times. History is who we are and why we are the way we are. David McCullough:
No harm's done to history by making it something someone would want to read. David McCullough:
(I'm changing style of presentation here to save time and effort--mine)
Denise Levertov: I don't think one can accurately measure the historical effectiveness of a poem; but one does know, of course, that books influence individuals; and individuals, although they are part of large economic and social processes, influence history. Every mass is after all made up of millions of individuals.
On this, see how individuals, influenced by books (ideas), part of the economic and social processes of a country, can influence the present, which will one day soon (all too soon) become "history" at
Edward Gibbon: I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know no way of judging of the future but by the past.
Etienne Gilson: History is the only laboratory we have in which to test the consequences of thought.
Gustave Flaubert: Our ignorance of history causes us to slander our own times.
Too true! and then we slander our own culture, civilization, country.
Jawaharial Nehru: A moment comes, which comes but rarely in history, when we step out from the old to the new, when an age ends, and when the sound of a nation, long suppressed, finds utterance.
Nehru: not one of my favorite people (sold out to the Moslems--people of the Bharat, correct me if I err), The first part of that statement holds true for our time. The Age without Islam in our Midst has ended. The second part applies to India throwing off the British Raj. Good or Bad? Good, if only the government of India (like ours, the US's) does not cater to the enemy--within and without.
Karl Marx: It is not "history" which uses men as a means of achieving -- as if it were an individual person -- its own ends. History is nothing but the activity of men in pursuit of their ends.
Second sentence is too true.
Karl Marx: History does nothing; it does not possess immense riches, it does not fight battles. It is men, real, living, who do all this
"history" per se is like "Islam," it does not exist without humans that make it.
Winston Churchill: History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.
His fame will grow and grow and grow. How right he was. And he need not embellish history to find his place in it. A man who towers over all of his contemporaries (yet with flaws).
It is more pleasant to read history than to live it.
Why Moslems Cannot Learn Anything from History
Mahathir Mohammad, former president of Malaysia said:
We may want to recreate the first century of the Hijrah, the way of life in those times, in order to practice what we think to be the true Islamic way of life….
As Muslims, we must seek guidance from the Al-Quran and the Sunnah of the Prophet. Surely the 23 years’ struggle of the Prophet can provide us with some guidance as to what we can and should do.”
And that is why Moslems cannot learn from history. They will always go back to try and repeat their successes at the time of, and shortly after, Mohammed. But don't they know? We are no longer in the 7th and 8thCenturies. They still are.
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it. George Santayana
They, the Moslems, learned nothing from what happened to them after their initial successes. They will always go back and try to repeat those heady early years.
Should've left them in the pies.
then we wouldn't have 'em fluttering all about us now ___________________________________________ *This saying appears in many different forms, but the earliest version is probably that of the poet and philosopher George Santayana: "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
"Notable Quotations from George Santayana 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.' Life of Reason, Reason in Common Sense, Scribner's, 1905, page 284"
"The New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. 2002.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
Studying history is necessary to avoid repeating past mistakes. This saying comes from the writings of George Santayana, a Spanish-born American author of the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries."
NUMBER: 48129 QUOTATION: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. ATTRIBUTION: George Santayana (1863–1952), U.S. philosopher, poet. Life of Reason, 'Reason in Common Sense,' ch. 12 (1905-6).
William L. Shirer made these words the epigraph for his Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (1959)."
I hope this is precisely what you need to know. Please let me know if anything requires clarification.
Best regards, pinkfreud
**Sing a song of sixpence a pocket full of rye, Four and twenty blackbirds baked in a pie. When the pie was opened the birds began to sing, Oh wasn't that a dainty dish to set before the king? The king was in his counting house counting out his money, The queen was in the parlour eating bread and honey The maid was in the garden hanging out the clothes, When down came a blackbird and pecked off her nose!
Lovely words to this children's action nursery rhyme which is often referred to as blackbirds baked in a pie probably because the image that blackbirds baked in a pie would create in a child's mind . The rye ( a pocketful of rye) was purchased to feed birds. Blackbirds, and other song birds, were actually eaten as a delicacy! However a court jester may well have suggested to the court cook to bake a pie pastry crust and place this over some live blackbirds to surprise and amuse the King! It would not be unreasonable for the blackbirds to look for revenge hence "When down came a blackbird and pecked off her nose!" It is interesting to note that the references to the counting house and eating honey were the common man's perception of what a King and Queen spent their time doing. The nursery rhyme Sing a song of sixpence or blackbirds baked in a pie always end with the tweaking of a child's nose!
Our grateful thanks goes to Rebecca Harris for providing the following additional information: "During the Medieval times, there were occasions when the cook in the house of a wealthy knight did indeed put live birds (often pigeons, but I'm sure it could just as easily have been blackbirds) inside a huge pastry crust, on his own initiative. This was seen as a great joke and the cook would usually have a real pie waiting to bring in when the birds had been released."
Sing a song of sixpence, A pocket full of rye; Four and twenty blackbirds Baked in a pie. When the pie was opened, They all began to sing. Now, wasn't that a dainty dish To set before the King?
The King was in his countinghouse, Counting out his money; The Queen was in the parlor Eating bread and honey. The maid was in the garden, Hanging out the clothes. Along there came a big black bird And snipped off her nose!
The people who posted it claim it is true, and go to elaborate lengths to provide proof for this. It is, however, by most "authorities" (of sing-a-song-of-sixpence) deemed to be an urban legend, hence untrue.
Why are Imazighen (Berber people) included in "Islamic Danger in History?
Today, much of world lumps the Imazighen ("Berbers") with the "Arabs"--Arabic speaking people--of North Africa.
But Berbers are not Arabs, though they may speak Arabic and be Moslem.
The Bebers figure more in the history of North Africa than the Arabs who are relative latecomers and, although the Arabs imposed Islam on the native populations, many Berbers consider them and their arabized deputies to be stifling the native culture that they conquered and are still trying to destroy.
África amazighe (no se encuentra) amazighe sobre el continente africano "Más cerca del Continente. [leer +]
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KADDAFI DECLARES WAR AGAINST IMAZIGHEN FROM MOROCCO : After oppressing and terrorizing the Amazigh population of Libya, the Libyan regime is planning to hold a conference in Rabat next summer whose purpose is to confirm the Arab origin of Amazigh populations of North Arica, and thus legitimizing the denial of their existence as a distinct people having its specific own language, culture, history and civilization. Theme of the conference: The Arab Origin of North African Populations .... [ Lire la suite ] Date : 2009-04-02 18:57:00 -------------------- Les Arabes vus par Iben Khaldoune..Précurseur de la sociologie moderne, Ibn Khaldoun est une référence incontournable dans le domaine de la réflexion sur l'histoire sociale des peuples et civilisations méditerranéennes. En réponse aux arabo-staliniens et aux arabo-intégristes, qui érigent les arabes et leurs "civilisation " en modèle "universaliste ", nous publions un extrait d' "AI Muqaddima" d'Ibn Khaldoun qui parle, justement de cette civilisation arabe et des arabes. Notre objectif est de lutter contre l'amnésie et permettre à nos lecteurs de se faire leur propre opinion. Ce serait ainsi que les arabistes seront invités à davantage de modestie et de relativisme, à se remettre en question et à se situer "objectivement" dans le concert des civilisations. ... Ibn Khaldoun écrite sur les arabes :" En raison de leur nature sauvage, les arabes sont des pillards et des destructeurs. Ils pillent tout ce qu'ils trouvent sans combattre ou sans s'exposer. Puis ils se replient sur leurs pâturages au désert...."... Lire la suite
African Tribes - Berber People __ "Berbers have lived in Africa since the earliest recorded time. References date back to 3000 BC. There are many scattered tribes of Berber across Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt." An overview of these people. - From africaguide.com - http://www.africaguide.com/culture/tribes/berber.htm
The Amazigh Revival in Morocco __ "After years of repression, the Amazigh movement in Morocco is now going through a very active and decisive stage in the struggle for the recognition of the Moroccan Amazigh identity. More Imazighen are getting organized and involved in their local communities in order to denounce the marginalization of the Amazigh culture and language." You may want to read all of this important story. - From Wafin: Moroccan Connections in America - http://www.wafin.com/driss.phtml
Berbers __ "Berbers are making up a clear majority of the population of North Africa in terms of race and in terms of identity, a considerable minority. The difference between race and identity here is central to understand what being Berber is all about. The influx of Arabs to North Africa, has been far too small up through history to, defend the large numbers of people now claiming to be Arabs. And the influx of other peoples to North Africa has not been of any size since the Vandals in the 5th century." - illustrated - From LexicOrient - http://i-cias.com/e.o/berbers.htm
Berber People __ "These people call themselves Amazigh. "Berber is a name that has been given them by others and which they themselves do not use. Amazigh history in North Africa is extensive and diverse. Their ancient ancestors settled in the area just inland of the Medeterranean Sea to the east of Egypt. Many early Roman, Greek, and Phoenician colonial accounts mention a group of people collectively known as Berbers living in northern Africa." You will find material related to history, culture, political structure and more. - From University of Iowa - http://www.uiowa.edu/~africart/toc/people/Berber.html
Berber __ "Berbers have lived in Africa since the earliest recorded time. References date back to 3000 BC. There are many scattered tribes of Berber across Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, and Egypt. Forty percent of the Moroccan population is Berber, 30% live in Algeria, and 1% in Tunisia." An overview. - From Minnesota State University - http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/cultural/oldworld/africa/berber.html
Moroccan Gateway: the Berbers __ "...there are substantial Berber populations in Morocco and Algeria, plus smaller numbers in Tunisia, Libya and Egypt. In Morocco, about 40% acknowledge a Berber identity, though many more have Berber ancestry." A brief overview of culture, language and history. - From Moroccan Gateway - http://www.al-bab.com/arab/background/berber.htm